{"id":4094,"date":"2026-06-28T11:12:15","date_gmt":"2026-06-28T11:12:15","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/?p=4094"},"modified":"2026-06-28T11:12:15","modified_gmt":"2026-06-28T11:12:15","slug":"these-church-members-disagree-on-politics-together-theyre-wiping-out-medical-debt","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/?p=4094","title":{"rendered":"These church members disagree on politics. Together they&#8217;re wiping out medical debt"},"content":{"rendered":"<div>\n<div>\n<div>\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-medium_large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"The Rev. John Jackman, a man with a white beard and hair, and a boy of about 9 in a Scout uniform are shown on the altar of a church, with colorful confetti floating around them.\" class=\"wp-image-4088\" height=\"512\" src=\"https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/7853b5f00a35597c0ee7831e53ee562d-768x512.jpg\" width=\"768\" srcset=\"https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/7853b5f00a35597c0ee7831e53ee562d-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/7853b5f00a35597c0ee7831e53ee562d-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/7853b5f00a35597c0ee7831e53ee562d.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 768px) 100vw, 768px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/figure>\n\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<p>\n                Kids from a local Scouting group helped the Rev. John Jackman celebrate at Trinity Moravian Church in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, as the church marked the end of its latest Debt Jubilee Project to buy up and retire medical debt.\n                <b>\n                    \n                    Allison Lee Isley\/KFF Health News\n                    \n                <\/b>\n<b><b>hide caption<\/b><\/b>\n<\/p><p>Read more <a href=\"https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/?p=4080\">\u201cIf you are alive, make any noise\u201d: Venezuela searches rubble on day four<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<b><b>toggle caption<\/b><\/b>\n<\/div>\n<span>\n        \n        Allison Lee Isley\/KFF Health News\n        \n    <\/span>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. \u2014 Some issues, like immigration or student loans, are too divisive to unite Trinity Moravian Church.<\/p> <p>&#8220;We&#8217;ve got quite a spread of political beliefs,&#8221; says the Rev. John Jackman, who leads this 114-year-old red-brick church near Winston-Salem&#8217;s old textile mills. Conservative Republicans sit with liberal Democrats. Supporters of President Trump mix with his fierce critics. &#8220;It&#8217;s definitely a purple congregation,&#8221; Jackman says.<\/p> <blockquote><div><p><br\/><br\/><\/p><\/div><\/blockquote> <p>But four years ago, when Jackman suggested a new church mission to alleviate medical debt for residents of the wider Winston-Salem area, there was no dissent. &#8220;This is the easiest money I&#8217;ve ever raised,&#8221; he says. &#8220;All I do is tell people what we&#8217;re doing, and they write me a check.&#8221;<\/p>\n<h3>A matter of fairness<\/h3> <p>Few issues have been more politically explosive in recent years than healthcare, pitting Democrats and Republicans in bitter debates over the Affordable Care Act, Medicaid, and other flash points.<\/p> <p>Yet moved by the sense that the medical debts their neighbors faced were deeply unfair, members of <u>Trinity Moravian<\/u>, no matter their politics, rushed to write $25 or $50 checks to pay off the bills. They helped advance a movement by churches across the state and the country, and they <u>inspired North Carolina government officials<\/u> to tackle medical debt. The effort drew plaudits from conservative radio host Glenn Beck.<\/p> <div>\n<div>\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-medium_large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Samantha and Ariane Buck are a young couple standing in front of a house with a high-walled garden. Bright red flowers peek over the wall above their heads.\" class=\"wp-image-4089\" height=\"512\" src=\"https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/f9249f8ae2ea7213b339d7003a33b8cf-768x512.jpg\" width=\"768\" srcset=\"https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/f9249f8ae2ea7213b339d7003a33b8cf-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/f9249f8ae2ea7213b339d7003a33b8cf-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/f9249f8ae2ea7213b339d7003a33b8cf.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 768px) 100vw, 768px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/figure>\n <div>\n<h3>Policy-ish <\/h3>\n<h3>Medical debt snares millions of people. States, red and blue are passing laws to help <\/h3>\n<\/div>\n<!-- END CLASS=\"BUCKETBLOCK\" -->\n<\/div>\n<!-- END CLASS=\"BUCKET IMG\" -->\n<\/div>\n<!-- END ID=\"RESNX-S1-5847966-100\" CLASS=\"BUCKETWRAP INTERNALLINK INSETTWOCOLUMN INSET2COL \" -->\n<p>The little church&#8217;s success also highlights a patch of common ground in American healthcare \u2014 the widespread frustration shared across the political spectrum that so many patients are ending up in debt.<\/p> <p>Earlier this year, Trinity wrapped up its eighth medical debt campaign, part of what the church calls its Debt Jubilee Project. This one raised more than $17,000. That helped retire more than $2.2 million in debt. Medical debt can be bought for pennies on the dollar because creditors believe most debts won&#8217;t be paid.<\/p> <p>Nationwide, an estimated <u>100 million adults <\/u>have some form of healthcare debt. More than half of U.S. adults have had such debt at some point in their lives.<\/p>\n<!-- END ID=\"MID-STORY-RECOMMENDATIONS-MOUNT-PIANO\" CLASS=\"MID-STORY-RECOMMENDATIONS-MOUNT-PIANO\" ARIA-LABEL=\"RECOMMENDED STORIES\" -->\n<p>At Trinity Moravian Church, which has about 200 members, it wasn&#8217;t hard to find stories of crushing medical bills.<\/p> <p>&#8220;I see people going into debt every minute of every day,&#8221; says Catherine Coe, who works in the accounting department of a hospital system. &#8220;We&#8217;re all just one medical bill from financial ruin.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Coe grew up coming to Trinity with her grandmother. She drifted away from the church as an adult before rejoining the congregation last year. Coe, who describes herself as a conservative, voted for Trump.<\/p> <p>Terri Mabe, who&#8217;s been coming to Trinity for decades, is on the other side of the nation&#8217;s political divide. She says she can&#8217;t stand the president, who she says &#8220;had no real concern for the people of this country.&#8221;<\/p> <div>\n<div>\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-medium_large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"The photograph is a grid of four portraits. Each person wears a light blue shirt with an American Cancer Society logo.\" class=\"wp-image-4090\" height=\"512\" src=\"https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/77c123fd92aa0ab1573b6e57279b443b-768x512.jpg\" width=\"768\" srcset=\"https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/77c123fd92aa0ab1573b6e57279b443b-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/77c123fd92aa0ab1573b6e57279b443b-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/77c123fd92aa0ab1573b6e57279b443b.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 768px) 100vw, 768px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/figure>\n <div>\n<h3>Shots &#8211; Health News <\/h3>\n<h3>&#8216;Cancer doesn&#8217;t care&#8217;: Patients pushed past divisive politics to lobby Congress<\/h3>\n<\/div>\n<!-- END CLASS=\"BUCKETBLOCK\" -->\n<\/div>\n<!-- END CLASS=\"BUCKET IMG\" -->\n<\/div>\n<!-- END ID=\"RESNX-S1-5847966-101\" CLASS=\"BUCKETWRAP INTERNALLINK INSETTWOCOLUMN INSET2COL \" -->\n<p>Mabe, 70, has also seen medical debt up close. She used to work in the construction industry.<\/p> <p>&#8220;In between projects you are a lot of times without a job,&#8221; she said. &#8220;Then you get sick. Next thing you know, you owe $5,000, $10,000 that you cannot pay. You&#8217;re barely paying your home bills. Then you&#8217;re like: &#8216;I can&#8217;t pay it. What do I do now?'&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Both Coe and Mabe say partisan differences don&#8217;t matter. &#8220;There isn&#8217;t a political divide when it comes to medical debt,&#8221; Coe says. &#8220;It all brings us together.&#8221;<\/p> <h3>Pandemic beginnings<\/h3> <p>Jackman says he got the idea to do something about medical debt during the pandemic, when growing numbers of people turned to the church for help.<\/p> <p>&#8220;I was hearing about the reason they couldn&#8217;t pay their electric bill was because they&#8217;d had a few days in the hospital and then they got hit with this huge bill and it snowballed,&#8221; he recalls. &#8220;And I started hearing this again and again and again.&#8221;<\/p><p>Read more <a href=\"https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/?p=4078\">July 4th fireworks in Washington: What\u2019s different for America\u2019s 250th?<\/a><\/p> <p>Jackman learned about a nonprofit called Undue Medical Debt that buys unpaid medical bills from hospitals and debt collectors so the debts can be retired.<\/p>\n<p>The church&#8217;s first campaign, in 2022, set a goal of raising $5,000 to retire about $500,000 in unpaid medical bills owed by residents of surrounding Forsyth County, N.C. The campaign hit its goal in just six weeks, fueled mostly by donations of less than $50.<\/p> <p>Jackman, who&#8217;s been a pastor for more than four decades, attributed part of the success to an ethos of the church. &#8220;One of our ideas is that we cannot fix everything, but we have to fix what we can in the place where we&#8217;re planted,&#8221; he says.<\/p>\n<p>Trinity members, no matter their political leanings, also say they see something broken in a system that pushes sick people into debt.<\/p> <p>Paul Sluder, 78, who doesn&#8217;t identify with a political party, used to work for a credit union. He says he did a lot of debt collecting before he retired.<\/p> <p>Most people, he says, wanted to pay what they owed. If they got sick, they often had no choice but to go into debt.<\/p> <p>&#8220;You have kind of no control. You have to take care of yourself or your loved ones,&#8221; Sluder says. &#8220;It&#8217;s incredibly unfair, and I think the system&#8217;s out of whack.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Polls suggest there&#8217;s a lot of common ground around medical debt.<\/p> <p>In a  for Undue Medical Debt, about 75% of Republicans and about 90% of Democrats said collection agencies shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to garnish patients&#8217; wages to pay medical debt. And in recent years, bipartisan measures to expand protections from <u>medical debt have passed<\/u> in both blue and red states.<\/p> <div>\n<div>\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"A small icon combining blue and red dialogue bubbles\" class=\"wp-image-4091\" height=\"200\" src=\"https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/afc10146d4579ace28125af0adc4cff0.png\" width=\"200\" srcset=\"https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/afc10146d4579ace28125af0adc4cff0.png 200w, https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/afc10146d4579ace28125af0adc4cff0-150x150.png 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/figure>\n <div>\n<h3>Seeking Common Ground<\/h3>\n<\/div>\n<!-- END CLASS=\"BUCKETBLOCK\" -->\n<\/div>\n<!-- END CLASS=\"BUCKET IMG\" -->\n<\/div>\n<!-- END ID=\"RESNX-S1-5847966-102\" CLASS=\"BUCKETWRAP INTERNALLINK INSETTWOCOLUMN INSET2COL \" -->\n<p>Coe, a Republican, says she would support even more limits on how much medical debt people could be forced to carry. &#8220;Why can&#8217;t we cap medical debt at a certain dollar amount, and after that it&#8217;s either written off or forgiven?&#8221; she asks.<\/p> <div>\n<div>\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-medium_large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"An old mine cart is parked outside the Gila County Historical Museum in Globe, Arizona. The small building is in a desert landscape.\" class=\"wp-image-4092\" height=\"512\" src=\"https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/0de52eec081c43d69abc0b7da587fa6e-768x512.jpg\" width=\"768\" srcset=\"https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/0de52eec081c43d69abc0b7da587fa6e-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/0de52eec081c43d69abc0b7da587fa6e-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/0de52eec081c43d69abc0b7da587fa6e.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 768px) 100vw, 768px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/figure>\n <div>\n<h3>Shots &#8211; Health News <\/h3>\n<h3>In a county that backed Trump, people depend on Medicaid and are conflicted about cuts<\/h3>\n<\/div>\n<!-- END CLASS=\"BUCKETBLOCK\" -->\n<\/div>\n<!-- END CLASS=\"BUCKET IMG\" -->\n<\/div>\n<!-- END ID=\"RESNX-S1-5847966-103\" CLASS=\"BUCKETWRAP INTERNALLINK INSETTWOCOLUMN INSET2COL \" -->\n<p>After completing the most recent debt campaign, Trinity hosted a special ceremony, assisted by kids from a local Scouting group.<\/p> <p>Jackman stood before the congregation and held up a piece of paper with a long list of names, people in the county whose debt had been bought and retired by the church.<\/p> <p>&#8220;On this day of Jubilee,&#8221; Jackman announced, &#8220;we act to forgive the debts of many of our neighbors as God has forgiven our debts.&#8221;<\/p> <p>As the congregation stood, Jackman flicked on a lighter and burned the list of 1,631 names, symbolically wiping out $2.2 million in debts. The paper was consumed by yellow flame. The scouts set off confetti poppers. The choir sang, and the congregation erupted in cheers.<\/p> <div>\n<div>\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-medium_large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"A flame is seen on one side of a burning piece of white paper; the Rev. John Jackman holds it carefully on the other side.\" class=\"wp-image-4093\" height=\"512\" src=\"https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/d3d874cf14fba5f2dd962645a43fd615-768x512.jpg\" width=\"768\" srcset=\"https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/d3d874cf14fba5f2dd962645a43fd615-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/d3d874cf14fba5f2dd962645a43fd615-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/d3d874cf14fba5f2dd962645a43fd615.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 768px) 100vw, 768px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/figure>\n\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<p>\n                The Rev. John Jackman burns a list of names of people in surrounding Forsyth County whose debt was purchased and retired by the church.\n                <b>\n                    \n                    Allison Lee Isley\/KFF Health News\n                    \n                <\/b>\n<b><b>hide caption<\/b><\/b>\n<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<b><b>toggle caption<\/b><\/b>\n<\/div>\n<span>\n        \n        Allison Lee Isley\/KFF Health News\n        \n    <\/span>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>Afterward, members went downstairs for a spaghetti lunch in the church basement, served by the scouts.<\/p>\n<h3>Beyond anger<\/h3> <p>Reflecting on the day&#8217;s festivities, many members of the congregation said they hoped their work on medical debt could inspire others to bridge political differences and work together.<\/p> <p>&#8220;There&#8217;s just so much division, so much anger,&#8221; says Cynthia Tesh, 72.<\/p> <p>&#8220;We need to look out for one another,&#8221; she says. &#8220;If we start looking out for one another, things will change. If we start considering other people and not just ourselves, things will change.&#8221;<\/p><p>Read more <a href=\"https:\/\/bestusamoverss.com\/?p=4074\">Will the new student loan limits actually drive down tuition? Economists weigh in<\/a><\/p> <p><br\/><\/p>\n<\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Trinity Moravian Church, a politically diverse congregation in Winston-Salem, N. 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